Pic of Bullet Proof bumper needed

[Dukes69]

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Can someone snap me a close up pic of bulletproofs swing out hinge? just a straight on shot of the whole hinge would do.
TIA
-Chris

[Ace!]

r u tlkng about this?







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[blkTJ]

you know Chris... if your gonna build bumpers, design 'em and build 'em yourself. make 'em better than what's available. I'm not trying to be an a$$ here but it's like this... If you want a through the dash cage like 4xdoc builds, should you go to JCfab and say build me something like these guys do??? no, you should go to 4xdoc. if you want a currie hoop bumper should you go to a fabricator with a pic and say copy this??? no, just get the original. it's kinda like rocker guards, everybody and the're brother now has a version of 4xdoc's rockers. why buy a knock off when you can get the original and give some credit to the folks that came up with the idea in the first place.

just my $.02. see ya next weekend.

[jdlawhon]

-=- originally posted by blkTJ -=-
you know Chris... if your gonna build bumpers, design 'em and build 'em yourself. make 'em better than what's available. I'm not trying to be an a$$ here but it's like this... If you want a through the dash cage like 4xdoc builds, should you go to JCfab and say build me something like these guys do??? no, you should go to 4xdoc. if you want a currie hoop bumper should you go to a fabricator with a pic and say copy this??? no, just get the original. it's kinda like rocker guards, everybody and the're brother now has a version of 4xdoc's rockers. why buy a knock off when you can get the original and give some credit to the folks that came up with the idea in the first place.

just my $.02. see ya next weekend.

It's called capitalism. When one person can produce a comparable, or even better product at a lower cost to the consumer, the choice is pretty easy.

For example - Would you rather have the $199 Currie Rock Crawler II bumper, or the $159 Genuine Steel Canyon Crawler bumper? They're both identical in every way.

[All My Needs]

-=- originally posted by jdlawhon -=-
It's called capitalism. When one person can produce a comparable, or even better product at a lower cost to the consumer, the choice is pretty easy.

For example - Would you rather have the $199 Currie Rock Crawler II bumper, or the $159 Genuine Steel Canyon Crawler bumper? They're both identical in every way.

Isn't Genuine Steel the new name of Steel Horse?

I'd pay the extra 40 bux for the Currie any day of the week.

Same with a cheap Warn winch knock off. Yes the Warn is more expensive than some cheapo found at Harbor Freight, but I would not want the Harbor Freight one even if it's rated the same as the Warn.

Cheaper does not = better or even just as good.

[04JeepTJ]

-=- originally posted by All My Needs -=-
Isn't Genuine Steel the new name of Steel Horse?

I'd pay the extra 40 bux for the Currie any day of the week.

Same with a cheap Warn winch knock off. Yes the Warn is more expensive than some cheapo found at Harbor Freight, but I would not want the Harbor Freight one even if it's rated the same as the Warn.

Cheaper does not = better or even just as good.

...but more expensive does not make it better. at one point you're paying for a name...

you'd be surprised how many companies OEM from the same supplier..

[jimrun]

-=- originally posted by jdlawhon -=-
It's called capitalism. When one person can produce a comparable, or even better product at a lower cost to the consumer, the choice is pretty easy.

For example - Would you rather have the $199 Currie Rock Crawler II bumper, or the $159 Genuine Steel Canyon Crawler bumper? They're both identical in every way.

:flamejump This "dead horse" has 1000 deaths .... so let's beat it again. :bangnerd:
The choice isn't "pretty easy" for all of us ... thank God !!!

I've only bought one Steel Horse product for my TJ (about to be replaced) - the finish didn't last at all ... what once was black, is now as silver as can be - no more of my $$$ heading their way ... that's "my choice". Looks can be deceiving - the test of time, & all that good stuff.

Using the example of Currie & Genuine Steel front bumpers "They're both identical in every way"- the main reason to buy & support Currie is due to Currie's innovations.
What are the knock-off companies "developing" - ... hmmm maybe - the Genuine Steel 9 inch rear end ???
No way - they "develop" NOTHING.
What if - one day a Jeeper has the means & want's a Currie rear end on his Jeep ... I would hate to think Currie's not around anymore & on the front of his Jeep, "what do we find" ?? - a Genuine Steel "Canyon Crawler" bumper ... Oh Well ....

So ... If you're a knock-off type buyer ... then buy the knock-offs ... it is your choice.

But try to understand that some of us consider the knock-offs as a form of stealing & won't support those companies, or their products.
Some of us believe that just because a small company can't stop the knock-off in court is no excuse. (that too is a form of capitalism at work - let's all thank the lawers)
It then falls to the "informed & knowledgable" consumer to "make things right" via "who are we going to give our money & our support to".
But when the innovations that we all want & need (those that usually come from the smaller type companies) stop coming ... whose to blame ???

And by the way ... "this is exactly" what's needed in the Jeep aftermarket ... "another" knock-off bumper company.

Who's gonna' do the knock-off Gheeps ...... gheezz beeavv - gosh wally

For products & companies that truly are different & innovative ... we do need that ... but that's another thread ... .02

[jdlawhon]

In the case of the Currie, Genuine Steel, Steelhorse, Pro-Comp, and Canyon Crawler bumpers, it's not a case of one being a knock-off of another. It's a case of the product being sold under a different name. If you think that the name alone means that the product that was most likely built or purchased under contract is going to be lower quality, so be it.

Now, in the example of the 4xdoctor rockers that was used in an earlier post, sure, the general looks from the casual observer might be the same, but upon further inspection, there will be definite differences between, say, a Warn rocker (which is actually a closer copy of the Sun Performance rocker, but anyhoo...) and the 4xdoctor rocker. The 4xdoctor rockers are gonna be beefier and naturally have more bells and whistles and perhaps a superior means of mounting. However, it's up to the consumer compare these differences and to decide what to go with. Say, for example, I only have enough room in my budget to afford $200 worth of rockers. I'd love to go with the 4xdoctor rockers, but they're $250 or more, so that's out of the question. I know the Warn rocker isn't as good of a rocker, but in actuality, it's got everything I really need without the frills.

That said, I'll probably go with either the $300 Toys by Troy rockers or perhaps the $200 A to Z rockers (I kinda like their Yaffy-style design).

Seriously, saying one should go for one company's product soley because that company's the one who innovated it would be like saying I should buy the Sanford Sharpie marker for $4 rather than the Paper Mate permanent marker that's on the shelf next to it for $2... Either one will do the job, but one fits the budget better than the other.

Do you honestly think Currie is hurting for business? They're obviously not hurting if they're selling a bumper for $199 that you can get elsewhere under a different name for $40 less. I'd even venture to guess that bumpers have shrunk down to mearly a small percentage of their business, judging by how hard it is to find pics of Currie bumpers and tire carriers around here.

You gotta understand, not everyone can afford the top-of-the-line name-brand stuff made by the "innovators" of the product. That's where capitalism comes in. Other companies recognize this fact, and they either develop their own products or work out a deal with the "innovator" to purchase in bulk and re-badge the "innovator's" product to sell at a lower cost. This is nothing new.

I'm not saying that everyone should automatically go out and buy the cheapest piece of **** you can get. It's just that if you can't afford the expensive stuff, there are other options out there for you to choose from that would substitute just fine.

Wouldn't it suck if everyone just bought Fords? I mean, they were the innovators of automobiles, weren't they?

[jimrun]

Points well taken ... jd

There is definitely a need for well built, affordable products ... no doubt.

I don't like the "knock-off" game, and at the same time, I don't like the "put our name on a product that's not ours" game either.

I own Warn winches & have had Warn hubs on a past Jeep, but if Warn's not building or designing it, it won't be found on my TJ (duck). I'm not sure how to say this about the "other" Warn products; but I don't want "re-badged" products on my TJ. My skids, rockers, & bumpers are coming from "armor type?" companies (most of them small).
If Currie's doing it too (do you know this about their front bumpers for a fact ?? This is how these nasty rumors get started on these forums.), then maybe some of us value the Currie name, & what it's "supposed" to stand for, more then some of the folks at Currie do. I don't have a Currie bumper on my TJ; but if I did & paid the Currie price for it, & then found out that it was the same bumper as the Steel Horse or Pro Comp (I'm ducking as I'm writing this), it would be off my TJ & back at their front door - whether they gave me my money back or not. This isn't some promotional coffee cup or pen we're talking about.

All companies must do what it takes to protect their product designs & the welfare of their business; they owe it to themselves & to their clients that have purchased their products. No one wants to turn around to find that the products they purchased are from a company that's now out-of-business. But it does happen every day. :eatem: Product design royalties are everyday - & good for the designers that have those deals (not good for those that don't) - hopefully the income will allow them to keep designing better, innovative products for all of us.

So the bottom line is - Jeep owners can be as different, as their individual Jeeps are, & the many different directions we build them in ... a very cool aspect of the Jeeps. :coool: :coool:
We're each going to buy what suits us ... & only time will tell, as to the quality of the products, & which companies will remain for us to do business with.

And you're right ... it would suck if we all drove Fords (duck again) ... thank God we have our Jeeps ... at least we should all be able to agree on that ...

[gelu]

If someone looks at a product then builds something like it thats their business . The builders of most all of the products get their ideas from another product and then piss and moan like they were the first inventor of the product. Thats how most people get into business .

[Brimstone]

a buddy of mine i went to school with built his own stuff...here's his web page...........www.n2jeepn.com

[yaffy]

There is a lot of truth in the saying "You get what you pay for". Just because something looks the same doesn't mean the quality is the same. If you see one bumper that is $200 and another that LOOKS identical is $400, there is a difference. Sometimes you are paying a little extra for the name, but in the end the quality product will win. I see this all the time in the automotive industry. I do parts for a VW/Audi shop and you can DEFINATELY tell the difference between a generic part and a genuine German part. Some times the generic part is fine because it isn't a high stress component, but in something critical I will always opt for the higher quality part, even if it does cost 50% more.

Enough of my ranting... back on subject here. If he wants to copy their idea for his own bumper, let him do it. Some people don't have the knowledge to design their own stuff from scratch but want to build something.

[blueruby]

Did I miss something on this thread? The original post was asking for an up close photo. Everyone has assumed it was to build a copy of that bumper. Perhaps it is, but I too am curious to what the BProof bumbers look like up close & of which I don't know why, because BProof has not returned my calls or E-mails. Their warranty statement of replacement if bent is useless if you can't reach someone to take the order. Either BProof is out of business or is actually someone working out of their garage. Either way, if someone else is making similar bumpers they will have my business.

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[Brimstone]

my point was that, why pay for something when you can build it yourself the way you want it.....you save money, have a sense of accomplishment and if it breaks, you don't have to mess with customer service, trying to ship it back or anything. just pull out your welder and fix it. but of course you have to have a welder and such. my friend spent about 1 week dinking around with his new welder before he decided to tackle his bumpers. so it can be done with relatively little experience.